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Imidz argentinskih navijaca ne odudara od scena koje mozemo s' vremena na vreme na vreme videti na nasim TV programima - na svakoj tekmi bacaju se papirici, pale se baklje i dimovi, sire se gigantske setalice, neredi su ucestali, a stadioni puni. Svaki klub u Argentini koji se takmici u prvoj i drugoj ligi, ima uz sebe hiljade fanatika, kojima nece biti tesko ni da prevale po par hiljada kilometara kako bi prisustvovali tekmi voljenog im kluba. argentinskih Ultra grupa ima na desetine i prakticno je nemoguce zauzeti stav kada se govori o tome koja do njih je najbolja.
Transparenti koje Argentinci kace na ograde svojih stadiona veoma su dugacki i nije retkost videti i one duze od 50 metara. Uglavnom su radjeni "po sablonu" i izgledaju prilicno jednostavno, sto znaci da im se nekakva "mastovitost" po dizajnu ne moze pripisati. Njihovi navijaci skoro nikad ne skaniraju, vec pevaju dugacke, melodicne pesme. Kop zapocinje pesmu koja se prihvata na celom stadionu, pa nije cudno videti dedu i unuka kako zajedno skacu i navijaju. Shalove niko ne nosi, zbog klime, jelte, ali svaki navijac na utakmicu ide obucen u dres ili majicu voljenog kluba, noseci kapu i zastavu.
Argentinci su puni ponosa kada je u pitanju nosenje simbola kluba za koji navijaju, pa je "stekovanje" dresa ili majice najveca sramota koja se moze pripisati jednom argentinskom navijachu. Koreografije na stadionima su poznate - papirici, trake i pirotehnika i bez obzira sto je kolorit na svakoj utakmici isti, ne treba verovati da ce u skorije vreme doci do drasticne promene u domenu vizuelnog spektakla na tribinama.
S' obzirom da je Argentina velika po povrsini, na gostovanja se ide uglavnom vozom, redje avionom ( sto je rezervisano za bogatije navijace ), a retko autobusom.
Sasvim sigurno najjaci adut navijacha jeste vernost. Od dana rodjenja pa do kraja zivota navijachi disu za svoj klub i nista ih drugo ne zanima. Zato je razumljivo da se ne moze govoriti o nekoj prosecnoj starosti argentinskih tifoza. Na stadionu mozete videti i cele porodice, kojima odlazak na utakmicu dodje kao neka vrsta praznika, ali se ipak moze reci da jezgro najekstremnijih cine "momci" od 15 do 40 godina.
Pored toga sto su vecno uz klub, navijaci iz Argentine su uvek i uz svoju reprezentaciju. Reprezentacija je svetinja i bez obzira gde igra, pratice je veliki broj navijacha, medju kojima ce biti veliki broj onih koji ce nastojati da "ukrste pesnice" sa navijacima protivnicke reprezentacije. Kada prvi tim igra neku tekmi, 90% Argentinaca ne radi, radnje su zatvorene, a gradske ulice puste.
Argentinci za svoje velike, mozda i najvece protivnike smatraju "komsije" iz Brazila, a mrze i ostale navijace na njihovom kontinentu, pre svega one iz Urugvaja i Paragvaja.
Sto se odnosa prema igracima tice, on je veoma korektan. Dok igra u klubu, on je idol za hiljade navijaca, mada argentinski "tifozi" ne vole preterano strane fudbalere u svojim redovima.
Kada je rec o upotrebi "stimulativnih sredstava", moze se reci da se pretezno upotrebljavaju lake i teske droge ( bas nas cudi za Argentinu ), dok se alkohol vrlo retko konzumira, a i kada se konzumira - iskljucivo se pije pivo. ( to su videli od nas )
Prijateljstvo izmedju razlicitih navijackih grupa ne postoji, tako da su masovni okrsaji na fudbalskim stadionima "uobicajeni" i to je bitna osobenost "Ultra - Argentinaca".
Svake godine po nekoliko ljudi izgubi zivot u okrsajima navijaca u Argentini. U tucama se koriste razna "pomagala", tako da se pored "standardnih" stangli i nozeva, upotrebljavaju cesto i rakete, sekire, pistolji...
Zanimljivo (?!) je da se kamenovanje protivnickih navijacha ( i igraca ) pretezno dogadja na samoj utakmici.
U sirem spektru huliganskih ispada u Argentini, prvo mesto svakako zauzima tragedija koja se dogodila 26.juna 1968. godine. Tada je u stampedu, koji je izazvan sveopstom tucom na utakmici Boka Juniors vs River Plata, doslo do pravog masakra, ciji je epilog 71 mrtav i 83 ranjena navijaca. Nemile scene nikada nisu nestale sa argentinskih stadiona ( a cini se da su josh intenzivnije ), a posebno je izrazena netrpeljivost navijaca iz provincijskih gradova prema klubovima iz Buenos Aires-a. Tako je na primer, na utakmici u Santa Fe-u, pred novu 1998. godinu, doslo do sukoba izmedju domacih navijaca sa huliganima iz glavnog grada Argentine, gde je jedan dvadesetcetvorogodisnji pristalica Santa Fea izgubio zivot, a stadion i okolni objekti su potpuno demolirani.
Po svemu ovome ispada da murije na argentinskim stadionima nema. To naravno nije tacno, policija se trudi da suzbije nasilnistvo na stadionima, ali nemoguce je pokriti toliko utakmica "visokog rizika" u jednom danu. Ovo je veliki problem i za argentinsku vladu koja na sve nacine pokusava da ukloni vinovnike incidenata sa tribina.
U poslednjih par godina, ucestala su hapsenja lidera huliganski frakcija, koji "zaradjuju" i po 10-15 godina robije zbog izgreda, a uprave klubova vise ne mogu, kao nekada, da zastite svoje "pulene".
Ako uzmemo u obzir sve cinjenice i okolnosti, moglo bi se reci da najvece rivalstvo ipak postoji u glavnom gradu, Buenos Airesu. Sa jedne strane su navijaci River Plate, dok su njihovi najljuci protivnici navijaci Boka Juniorsa.
Navijaci River Plate dolaze iz bogatijih kvartova Buenos Airesa, kao i iz drugih bogatijih gradova. Na gostovanja neretko putuju avionom, a svoj klub prate u velikom broju i na medjunarodnim mecevima.
Tifozi Boka Juniorsa su uglavnom iz siromasnijih krajeva grada ( La Boca ), ima ih u velikom broju i u provincijskim gradovima i veoma su skloni drogiranju i alkoholisanju...
Razlika izmedju ove dve navijacke grupe nije samo socijalna, kako se cini na prvi pogled.
Dok navijaci River Plate na svakoj tekmi pale baklje, tifozi gradskog im rivala koriste dimne bombe ( dimne kutije ), sikljucivo u bojama svog kluba ( plavo-zuto ). Nezamislivo je da na utakmici Boka Juniors navijaci ovog kluba upale baklju ili da u suprotnom taboru vidite dimnjak :zbunjen :o ! Osim ove, postoji razlika i u politickom opredeljenju.
U Argentini preovladjuju "peronisti" i "liberali" kao dve najjace partije. Tifozi Boke su najvise "optereceni" politikom, te shodno svom socijalnom statusu svi od reda su pristalice peronisticke stranke koja zastupa interese siromasnih slojeva stanovnistva.
Navijaci River Plate nisu narocito "stranacki obojeni", ali kao i ostale navijacke grupe veliki su protivnici "diktatorskog rezima".
Mrznja izmedju navijaca dva gradska rivala je neopisiva i na gotovo svakoj tekmi dolazi do sukoba i krvoprolica ( jos od tridesetih godina proslog veka ove dve frakcije se sukobljavaju kad god se sretnu ).
Na dan derbija policija ne garantuje bezbednost ;pljuga onima koji obuceni u dresove svog kluba zalaze u kvartove za koje se zna da u njima preovladjuje druga strana. Hiljade specijalno opremljenih policajaca skoncentrisano je na svim prilazima stadionu, a tribine moraju biti u dometu vodenih topova u slucaju incidenata. Sukobi navijaca se desavaju uglavnom posle utakmice, a nije neobicno videti navijaca ekipe koja je izgubila kako u besu u punoj brzini svojim automobilom ulece u grupu "slavljenika" :o !!! ( Pa sad ti vidi koji su to ludaci! :ruke )

Pozdrav,
Velja

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Interview with the editor of Polish magazine "To my kibice"

The most know magazine for fans in Poland , To My Kibice, recently made its 50th number. With this occasion, we made an interview with Piotr, TMK's editor.

1 - Tell us something about yourself
My name is Piotr Jaworski, I`m 29 years old. I`m an ultra of GKS Belchatow, member of "GNF`03" group. Since 4 years I`m also an editor of "To My Kibice" magazine.

2- How did you came up with the idea of making a magazine about all the Polish fanatics?
Since 1996 I have edited some black and white fanzines like "GieKaeSiak" (for my group) and "Polish Ultras-Pride of Poland". But always my dream was to build a full colour magazine about polish ultra&hooligan scene. I was inspired by "Supertifo", "3.Felido", "KOP" and "Tifo Support Skandinavien"-magazines from other countries. It`s sad, that 3 of these magazines are not edited anymore...

3- What did you hope to achieve at the beginning with TMK?
My dream was to make a magazine without bankruptcy after few issues :-) All my friends -ultras - were pessimistic, because in the half of 90`s there was a colour magazine in Poland - "Szalikowcy" - and it was edited only in 4 issues... But my plan was to make a very regular magazine - edited monthly, with articles from all the main games in Poland and some information about small groups in small cities, also with some "stories"(history of groups), and information about foreigners. Very important were the photos (I cooperate with almost all polish amateur ultra-photographers) and "journalism" (articles about polish problems like knives& axes, police, PZPN - polish football association, no unity on national games etc... - these articles are mainly on black-white pages).
I think we followed the right way, because in these 4 years we evolve from 1000 to over 5500 copies! Very important was the possibility to sell "TMK" in the most famous press-shops in Poland named "Empik".

4 - What means" To my kibice"?
It means something like "We are football fans!", but it`s not exactly the same words. It`s really hard to translate :-) But there is a popular song of polish ultras for example "To my, kibice Slaska!" (Slask Wroclaw) or"To my, kibice Gieksy!" (GKS Katowice).

5- Now, after 50 issues, what role does TMK play in the Polish scene?
We always promoted "safe-style" of hooliganism without knives, axes,sticks... We also promoted unity of all groups at national team's games. Since December 2004, 90% of polish groups belong to the agreement which regulated this problems. There was a big meeting organized by Lech Poznan Hooligans and almost all groups said "OK, we promise to finish using knives, axes etc... We will also unite on national games, especially on games with England and on World Cup 2006 in Germany! We would like to create a POLISH POWER! And my magazine will always promote the settlements of Poznan meeting! "TMK" also tried to influence the ultra scene to make a common front against PZPN (polish football association) and their stupid restricts!

6- What are your plans for the future with the magazine?
Nothing special, it`s not possible to make more pages because my priority is to keep the same price (7,5 zl - it's almost 2 euro). But I would like to keep the level of articles, stories, make more interviews... It`s hard work, to keep up the present standards :-)

7- How did you manage to remain impartial?
I`m in a good situation as an editor, because I support a small team, GKS Belchatow, with not so strong ultras/hooligans. So - as a football fan - I don't belong to any biggest polish alliances, and people know that! Of course, I always try to publish in TMK the story of both sides, especially from games with some riots. Because Polish people are very quarrelsome and never give the right to the opponents :-) This is typical Slavic mentality, I think :-)

8- If you look at photos from a TMK in 2000 and photos from the last TMK you can see a very big difference? What caused this evolution in the Polish scene?
It was a really big revolution, especially in 2002 and 2003! Polish fans stopped using always the same bengals, sector flags... Many new typical ultra groups were formed, and they tried to make our terraces more ingenious and various. Some groups made the first real choreographies and all the rest then tried to make them better and better. Right now there are a few groups in Poland, which I think make choreo`s on high European level - Legia, Jagiellonia, Wisla, sometimes Lech and Widzew. But the problem of the rest is that they use the same elements more than on 1 game.

9- Inside the pages of TMK we can see spaces to both ultras and hooligan actions. How do the two work together?
In the 90`s there was no separation between ultras and hooligans in Poland. We all were together! Right now in many groups (especially in the bigger ones) you can see a few ultra and hooligans groups. But this is only for a better organization - ultras can prepare choreographies and hooligans can plan their actions. But on our terraces we all stay together, and for 90% of the away games drive together! So, there is not that big of a separation! That`s why my magazine is a mix of both styles. You must also know, that some polish groups prefer ONLY typical polish style - good example is group "Torcida Gornik Zabrze" with their motto "No ultras, no hooligans, only Torcida"! Maybe it`s good, maybe it`s a reason of polish power?

10- Many see the Polish fans as the worst troublemakers in Europe. From what we've heard the police is also the best equipped. Now what is the level of repression inside Polish stadiums?
Oh, repression is bigger and bigger! The year 2005 was the worst - many stadiums in 1 and 2 division were closed for away fans (punishment for troubles on previous games), sometimes the official reason was "renovation of stadium", but everyone knows there is no renovation, it`s just a good reason to have a bored game without away fans! Sometimes stadiums are closed for away fans without reason! The most famous case was the one of Arka Gdynia stadium on games against Legia and Wisla! Fans from these teams were not allowed to see the games without any reason -it was an absolutely outlaw! Also very big problem are special "chip cards" in 1st division. Everyone who wants to go for an away game, must have this card and buy ticket from the home club, few days before game! "Chip cards" were hanged up for a few months after J.P. II (pope) death, but from the spring of 2006 it will start again. In 2 division there`s no chipcards, but everyone who would like to go for away game must give name, number and ID, date of birth and place of living on special "away list". It`s an ill system!
Also pyrotechnic is not so easy like it was a few years before. Still 90% groups can make nice pyro shows, but for example Legia Warsaw ultras have a big war against managers of their club. In last 2 month all ultras in Poland support Legia fans in this war!

11- How do you see TMK compared to other European magazines?
Well, in my private opinion the best magazines are "Erlebnis Fussball", "Serbski Navijac", "Fans Magazine" and... "To My Kibice". But I don`t know articles of these 3 magazines, so my opinion is only from the photos I see. I think that TMK is a good mix of ultras & hooligans movement with high quality photos and interesting articles. Many people from for example Germany say, that "Erlebnis Fussball" is good only because of photos... That's why I think "TMK" belongs to the European top.

12. Tell us a few words about TMK+ .
The mentality of polish ultras is strange - the majority of then don`t care about foreign scenes! They are interested only about the polish scene and there was a lot of criticism that I publish some stories about foreigners! That`s why I made a new magazine "To My Kibice Plus" especially for this part of polish ultras, who like scenes in other countries! "TMK+ " is edited 4 times in a year in a quantity of about 2000 copies. As you can see, the quantity is much smaller than normal monthly "TMK". But I will try to make "TMK +" more popular and to change the mentality of polish ultras, because I think that it's very important to know what is the situation in our neighbors and in other Europeans countries. We can find inspiration in other scenes and learn what we can make better in Polish stands!

13- Do you like our site?
I hope you will make very good website about European ultra scene, about "spirit of ultra". Always when I will have a bit time, you can be sure, that I will help you with materials from Poland and not only from Poland!

14 - Final words for those who read the interview.
Greetings to all readers of www.ultraspirit.com , from all the countries. As I see here in Poland, but also in other European leagues, we must unite against our enemies. Fuck UEFA, fuck FIFA, all ultras "Contro il calcio moderno!". Because without us, football is nothing!